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Bernie nailed it.

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On further review, Kosar’s commentary last Thursday was the best you’ll hear this year.


In one of my first posts here, I shared that I’m not a Bernie fan.

… Love my Browns fans but Kosar is your Herpes flare-up.  Your bad sweater.  Your eighth Jim Beam.  Really sometimes makes it hard to co-exist.

But one thing I have said and will always say about Bernie:  he was as good at reading defenses and playcalling as any QB ever.  He truly knows the game.  He probably offers more from an offensive perspective than any commentator I’ve ever heard.  His pre-occupation with telling us the defense’s scheme after each play is probably a turn-off for some.  I love it.  The fact that he’s not doing network play-by-play or coaching has everything to do with non-football idiosyncrasies; nothing to do with the fact of his football knowledge.

In other words, his form is too unpleasant for our PC world to overcome the fact of his substance.  Sportscasting requires cold truths be couched diplomatically or better yet not said out loud but alluded to.  And certainly without a Yompton accent.  What I’m saying is:  when was the last time a national announcer spoke truthfully in a critical way?  Or more simply, an announcer who says pretty much what you’re thinking?

Sadly and ironically, Peter King has decided to pick this as his rare moment to speak critically — although with seemingly no review of Bernie’s actual broadcast — and has decided the Browns/WKYC must fire* Bernie.

It is sad and absurd and a fact of the world we’re living in.

Setting it up.

Bernie called the Thursday night Browns/Rams game and since the Browns were at home, their announcers were shown nationally via NFL.com’s Pre-season Live package.  So if you’re a Rams fan not watching on St. Louis local team, you were hearing Jim Donovan and Bernie Kosar call the game.

In the course of the fourth quarter Bernie took shots at the Rams’ third string QB, Kellen Clemens and their receiving corps.

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PK’s twitter version of “have you stopped beating your wife?”
And no, he wasn’t drinking, we can tell by now.

Jeff Fisher reacted strongly to the criticism of his players by a Cleveland personality broadcasting on a Cleveland local station.  That’s fine, coach has players’ backs.  Fine.

[It has now been reported by Tony Grossi that Fisher asked reporters to ask him about Kosar.  In other words, this was a set-up by Fisher.  (Go to 2:50 mark here.)  This allows his WRs to hear criticism and simultaneously establishes Fisher as a coach who has his players’ back.  Bernie is collateral damage here.  And that’s leaving out Fisher’s needless comment about Bernie’s past ‘issues.’]

But now Peter King has decided to pile on and wants Bernie fired.  See tweets, right.

You are a horse’s ass, Peter King.

Today we’re going to review Bernie’s work on its substance.  Let’s see if by criticizing Bernie’s “judgement,” King is actually uncomfortable with Bernie’s lack of obfuscation.  Oh sorry, see what I just did there almost by reflex?  I prettied up a statement when I meant to say simply:  King can’t handle truth if it’s not wrapped in package without soft edges lest someone poke an eye out.

For the rest of us, it’s refreshing to have a commenter who is not a slave to maintenance of future access for either new sports websites (King) or film-room one-on-ones (Gruden).

Not needing to kiss everyone’s ass leads to interesting commentary.


What Bernie said… about Sam Bradford.

Missed in the kerfuffle is Kosar’s honest praise of Sam Bradford.  Sam Bradford looks good, Bernie says he looks good.  Sam Bradford’s line looks bad, Bernie says his line looks bad.  Sam Bradford’s receivers drop passes, Bernie says his receivers aren’t good.  This isn’t hard.  Here’s a transcript of the second quarter where Bernie talks Bradford.

2Q/14:14  Bradford dropped pass by Pettis.

Just rushing three, horrible job by the offensive line, and beautiful throw by Sam Bradford under pressure.  He’s at the crossroads of career and needs to take the next step to get where his athleticism says he should be.

2Q/14:09 Bradford dropped pass by Austin.

Again nice job by Bradford standing in against pressure.  It wasn’t overthrown, Austin has to make that catch in the NFL.  I can see why Sam’s been struggling watching how bad these receivers are.  Those are two outstanding throws those last two.

I.e., the Rams are punting due to two dropped passes on perfect throws under pressure.  Peter King translation:  “Were you drinking?”  Frankly, I hope Bernie sues King.  The intent to injure is there as is the record.  If King hasn’t libeled Kosar, the word has no meaning.

2Q/12:51 Bradford long completion to Givens.

There’s gonna be a lot of grumpy defensive coaches here.  That’s just base cover 3.  There should be a weak safety in the middle of the field there.  Beautiful throw by Sam Bradford, that’s awesome.

2Q/10:59 Bradford TD pass to Givens.

Sam had the guy open in the flat for the easy touchdown.  He purposely throws this high to get it over the linebackers.  This is perfect accuracy.  I love watching him throw the ball.  That was a fantastic series.

If Bernie’s a punch-drunk fool when talking about Kellen Clemens, then his statements about Bradford must also be dismissed, no?  Yes?  PK?  Starwood-Frequent-Traveller?  Comment?

The Clemens stuff.



I’m going skip the Austin Davis series’ although Bernie does mention this about the Rams’ backup QB battle at 3:35 in the second quarter:

I’m not sure either one is good enough to actually play in the league consistently.  So they’re probably looking for outside help.

That sounds correct from here and sorry if that hurt anyone’s feelings.  The Rams have second year undrafted free agent pickup Austin Davis and the 62.2 career QB rating of 30-yr-old Kellen Clemens in this dogfight.  When the Rams cut Clemens and sign someone from outside, will Peter King be there to compliment Bernie for getting it right?  That was rhetorical.

On to the Clemens stuff.  We have to move to the seven minute mark in the fourth quarter of the first pre-season game for Kellen Clemens to see the field.  By his actions, Jeff Fisher signals a like assessment of Clemens’ skill set as will Bernie.

4Q/6:49 Rams false start from their own one yard line.

I’ve been waiting for this one all day.  The last time I was a bad boy and had to watch (Clemens) play was the day the NY Jets traded for Brett Favre.  Kellen Clemens was supposed to be their starting QB and I saw why they traded for Brett Favre.

And?  Is there an inaccuracy here?  No.  Is there network-speak window-dressing?  No.  More of this please; less of Peter King log-rolling.  Bernie is quite simply amazed that Clemens is still in the league and it is, in fact, amazing.  I recall thinking the same things when Ken Dorsey was our third stringer.  I surely would not have been offended if a Rams TV broadcaster would have made such an observation at the time; on the contrary, I would have thanked him.

4Q/6:14 Next play.

He’s been in the league now quite a few years; I hope he’s progressed because then he was with the first stringers against the first stringers.  Now as a veteran QB playing against third/fourth stringers (Clemens) should have an opportunity to steal completions like the Browns QBs have.

[after run play is stuffed.]

You can see the eighth man up in the box, obvious press coverage, he hasn’t learned much to run that play.  God.

I mean… right?  Bernie was a QB who knew what to do with press cover and eight in the box.  He knew this at the U.  Clemens is in eighth year, he’s 30 years old.  What is the problem with Bernie’s call here??

4Q/5:30 Next play.

He’s got press cover again.  Geez.  PLEASE throw the ball up the field.

[completes four yard underneath pass for first down.]

Even though the pass is complete, you see all that traffic in there (where Clemens threw).  There’s freed up linebackers and double coverage and in and out on all that underneath stuff… and there’s two single WRs both on the outside and he throws the ball in the middle.  You can’t make a living doing that.

QB Bernie is figuratively coming out of his skin to exploit that press cover; he sees Webster Slaughter for an 80 yd TD.  He can’t help it; it’s how he’s wired.

4Q/ Next play.  Clemens under pressure throws duck.

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Right on cue, the Clemens interception.

[in response to a meaningless Pope factoid Donovan has painfully been trying to wedge into this play-by-play]

Bless me father for I have sinned, I have to watch Kellen Clemens in the fourth quarter.

Hey Donovan… the pope thing wasn’t worth the effort.  Appreciate the research but they’re not all homeruns.  But Donovan perseveres with the Pope story into the next play.

4Q/4:32 Clemens picked.

God you’re killing me now.  My catholic guilt.  I’m talking about how I can’t stand watching him play and he does such a nice thing like that.  That’s great but he still can’t play QB.

[Clemens throws pass into a defensive tackle’s hands, it deflects, is intercepted.]

And scene.


You tell me where Bernie was wrong?  You tell me where he was drunk or addled?

Is there any reason to bring up concussions?  Tax problems (ahem, Yahoo)?  Have him fired?

I don’t see how King’s tweets are not legally actionable but that’s Bernie’s call to make.

But if Bernie gets canned over this, it’s the blackest of eyes for the new Browns front office.



THREE POSTS TO CHECK REGARDING THIS TOPIC:  Pokorny’s piece at DBN offers a most exhaustive review of Bernie’s Thursday analysis. (The deeper you look at Bernie’s takes, the better he looks.)  Kolonich at Reboot and Titus at RR88 get closer to capturing some of the collateral problems we have this episode.


* King doesn’t actually say Bernie should be fired.  Instead he resorts to sleazy code:  the Browns should be “heavily criticized.”  Ok Peter, message received.

** Shutdown Corner used this controversy to remind its readership of many of Bernie’s past problems none of which seem relevant to the subject at hand:

There have been tax issues, a very public divorce, financial issues and Kosar has dealt with medical issues, including some related to brain trauma he sustained during his career.  However, none of those issues excuse Kosar’s comments on Friday night.

Yes Brian McIntyre, those issues neither excuse his comments and nor do they have anything to do with them.


Footnote:  King has been a Clemens honk since Mangini drafted him in 2006.

I found some King/Clemens info in this search.  King has has been pumping Clemens’ tires from early on.  Maybe that’s his problem?

July 2006:  Which of the high-drafted rookie quarterbacks will impress his coach enough to play early in the season?  While first-rounders Vince Young (Titans), Matt Leinart ( Cardinals) and Jay Cutler ( Broncos) made the news on draft day, Kellen Clemens, the second-round pick of the Jets, has a better shot than any of them to play early.  Of the four passers vying for the New York starting job in full-squad mini-camps during the spring ( ClemensPennington, fourth-year man Brooks Bollinger and fifth-year vet Patrick Ramsey), the rookie out of Oregon showed the quickest delivery and the strongest arm.  New Jets coach Eric Mangini praised Clemens‘s leadership ability, and incoming offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer said Clemens was one of the brightest quarterbacks he’d ever worked with. While it would be an upset if Clemens started the season opener, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him playing by October if Mangini and Schottenheimer–who are starting with a clean slate and installing a new system–think he’s the best man for their offense.

Jan. 2007:  I think Eric Mangini would not have used a second-round pick on someone he was not planning to give a fair chance. Pennington is a splendid field general, but he has the weakest deep arm of any decent-or-better quarterback in the NFL. Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer came back after scouting all the quarterbacks in the draft last year and raved about Clemens’ smarts, field sense and arm strength. Oh, he’ll get his chance to play sometime. You can be sure of that.

Aug. 2007:  Jets backup quarterback Kellen Clemens, who’s playing like he’s going to challenge for the starting job by Halloween — and I’m serious about that.

And finally in 2009, he’s humping a trade for the un-tradeable Clemens.

Sep. 2009:  They’ll keep four quarterbacks and develop O’Connell and Erik Ainge and, they hope, deal one of them or Kellen Clemens for a pick before the draft next year.



  1. bupalos says:

    I definitely enjoy Bernie’s color, it definitely spices up what is otherwise a nearly unwatchable exercise. It is a little “unprofessional” at times, a judgement which has a lot less to do with some PC conspiracy and a lot more to do with the fact that the market these guys speak to has grown and diversified. This whole thing came about because now, and for the first time if I’m not mistaken, the Brown’s preseason broadcast was available to a national audience through the preseason online package. I know by report on DBN that the Ram’s fans were jumping out of their skin about Bernie in real time. While homers don’t mind the other team being run down mercilessly and know Bernie himself well enough to assume that he does indeed know whereof he speaks, anyone outmarket tuning in is going to be doing ?!!!!????’s at the least. He’s profligately spending credit he doesn’t really have, and it’s not especially professional to go to that next level and act like you have to poke your eyes out because Clemens is so bad.

    I actually pin this on Banner though. The organization should have let Kosar know this was an expanded audience and encouraged him to bring his excellent analysis to the table without quite so much… emphasis. I’m sure Bernie could have handled that. Donovan knew it was going a little far and tried to reel him in with the “parents” thing, but of course you can’t do that in the heat of the moment, and so it backfired mightily.

    This dovetails with the earlier discussion you had about the Ohio State prez. All these instances are first and foremost about an expanding audience and organizations with a keener capitalist ear. Maybe that makes things less…boisterous, in a way that siphons off a bit of the fun. I mean, definitely it does. But it’s just globalization.

    • jimkanicki says:

      i think this all fits under the ‘PC’ banner insofar as the ‘silence equals consent’ mindset has morphed to the point where it’s no longer about protecting underrepresented groups of people and even no longer about tending to actual hurt feelings. it’s now that a perceived insensitivity unleashes the righteous. see gordon gee/catholics. the free reign granted the discourse police wherein everyone is free to take offense and the now-standard methodology/process that mandates a hollow apology be issued to mollify non-hurt feelings both trace their roots to PC run amok.

      the upshot is that secret, acceptable coding is used to say what would otherwise be offensive. (see king’s ‘browns should be heaviliy criticized’ fluff; says nothing on the surface, says everything below it.) it’s been with us for years and only gets worse. the way this ends is with a pendulum that swings to the opposite extreme. i mean i’m so tired of it, i may buy a chief wahoo cap in symbolic protest of the symbol protesters.

      • Yes! Jeff Fisher and Peter King overreacted to some commentary that doesn’t fit the NFL’s corporate media mold, and opponents of Chief Wahoo are the ones who are really to blame for it. Every dispute is the same, and Kosargate is the new front of our culture wars.

        The Natural History Museum would like to put a bid in for your tinfoil hat.

        • jimkanicki says:

          That’s a keeper Pete, thanks.

          Now isn’t there a Cleveland sports owner you need to wage war upon over at your place? Because that never gets old.

          • Well, then. Nobody here was saying anything about a Cleveland sports owner or anything that’s going on at my site. I might as well be Bernie Kosar here, with Jeff Fisher, Peter King, and some Yahoo bloggers injecting my personal problems into a discussion of the appropriateness of my perfectly sober commentary on Kellen Clemens and the Rams receivers. The intent to injure is here as is the record. If this isn’t libel, the word has no meaning. SEE YOU IN COURT, JIM. Hahahahahaha.

      • bupalos says:

        Where you are getting it wrong is that it’s about hurt feelings in even a derivative way. It’s not at all. It’s really just about expanding markets and the heightened expectations of professionalism as your audience grows. No one is worried about hurt feelings really, which is why King doesn’t say “feel bad for Kellen Clemmons no one should be treated that way,” but simply “Kosar is drunk.” You’re insisting no one was put off by it, but you’re just wrong. The Rams fans went apoplectic and started slinging around stuff about Kosar’s daughter and even invaded DBN to lodge their horror. That’s not a good look for anybody when your color guy becomes the story like that. And I’m something close to 100% sure that Fisher and hence King’s real problem here was Kosar rather louding insisting that the Rams would love to get rid of Clemmons and find another option. Which I’m sure is true; but no organization wants to start that kind of thing and get into little tampering spats, that’s a no-win. So again, while we may find it entertaining to hear a guy being that incautious, it may not fit either the realities of the expanded market or the goals of the organization. The organization has to judge whether it’s worth it to take the risks of having these kind of potential bomb-throwing characters around. When they decide no, that’s not some lefty conspiracy or something. That’s business.

        • jimkanicki says:

          i do not say the king-fisher-kosar saga is a lefty conspiracy.

          i do say the dynamic of fake-take-offense//insincere-sorry-if-someone-was-offended pentameter is wholly born of the PC world in which we live (and which emanates from the left) and this saga is simply the latest evidence the growing dystopia.

          • bupalos says:

            OK, I went too far, not a lefty conspiracy, just the poisoned fruit of the liberal tree that is destroying all our lives.

            You’re still just wrong. No one has hurt feelings and no one is pretending hurt feelings. The comments are all around “acting professional.” And there is something to them. Kosar has a bit of an impulse control problem that is not perfectly compatible with a corporate image outside of maybe 3-Loco. Though it is entertaining, and in reality, I think King is just trying to say “hey don’t ?#$! with my guys, and by the way that’s not the professional way to tamper anyway…”

            • jimkanicki says:

              I guess I’m a little disappointed,” Fisher said. “I feel bad [sic] for them that they had someone doing the broadcast who would feel the need to speak that way about players, specifically on our team, and coaches for that matter. I’m just surprised that Bernie has such a lack of respect for players and for this game. So I lost a lot of respect for him.” –fake offense-taking

              “We don’t condone the personal and unprofessional approach that Bernie took with some of his comments during the broadcast Thursday night. We’ve spoken to Bernie, he understands that, and we would expect the situation is resolved moving forward. We’ve also reached out to the Rams organization and have shared those same sentiments.” –insincere apology

              • bupalos says:

                That is “I feel bad for the browns having someone act so unprofessionally, that dude acted like an ass.” He isn’t faking that, and that is not “my feelings were hurt” nor “my players feelings were hurt.”

                And I don’t think the Browns’ thing is insincere at all. I bet you we don’t see Kosar firing quite so hard again. And I don’t know why we can’t separate the over the top style from the substance. Bernie would be a lot better at the good part if he didn’t waste all the time on the bad part.

            • supermadelf says:

              Actually, the whole “PC” thing started with the One Term Bush, a Republican. Get your history straight, bup. Am I the only one who remembers the death of the Polack Joke? This is what “zero tolerance” gets you, enjoy.

        • spencer0969 says:

          “The Rams fans went apoplectic and started slinging around stuff about Kosar’s daughter and even invaded DBN to lodge their horror.”

          wait…who’s being unprofessional here again?

          im sure the rams are happy as hell this is the main story instead of a lackluster performance against a bad opponent when they spent a ton in FA and in the draft. whatd kosar say that was really all that bad that hasnt been said about the browns on espn or the nfl network?

          not sure why we care about professionalism in our entertainment, but that’s besides the point.

          • bupalos says:

            >>>wait…who’s being unprofessional here again?>>>

            Ram’s FANS.

            >>>not sure why we care about professionalism in our entertainment, but that’s besides the point.

            We don’t. That’s why I said I mostly enjoyed Bernie’s performance. A little uneasily though because I have an attachment to him and don’t want him getting fired for his lack of impulse control. And if he opens it up like that again he probably will. It wasn’t just the Rams organization he criticized a little too openly either. If you notice the short Weeden touchdown pass he’s just barely able to restrain himself from calling the Browns either bush league or stupid for running what I guess he’s saying is a too-complex play in preseason. He doesn’t seem to fully get the social expectation that you have to couch that kind of thing. You can just say, “wow, they opened it up a little bit there, that’s a little surprising…how about that!” It’s like you can’t just run around the office saying “damn, the boss’s wife is hideously ugly with horrible fashion sense.” When you see someone doing that, you don’t just cheer them on, whether it’s true or not.

            • spencer096 says:

              see, i dug him saying that after lewis’ TD…and i didnt think he was that critical, it was a fairly routine option play that had a shifty RB against a flat-footed LB in space. it was pretty boilerplate stuff.

              but i totally get what youre saying. it’s a fine line to walk, and id hate to see bern get fired for some BS where he tripped over his words.

              and my quip about the rams fans was simply a shot, not picking apart your comment at all. rams fans’ behavior was fairly hypocritical.

  2. Kind of related, so I felt like sharing.

    Favorite Bernie story:

    About a month after “The Drive” game, Bernie is signing autographs at Jim Pace Pontiac in Warren, Ohio. My Dad takes my brother and I. I go first – and being shy – I get my autograph and just say “thank you.” My brother gets his and then asks, “so, Bernie – why didn’t you guys go to the Super Bowl this year?” Kind of a half joking, half dumb little kid question. Bernie, being matter of fact and a bit autistic, lowers his sunglasses, looks up and replies:

    “Because we lost.”

  3. Little Pee Wee King never was allowed to play sports, that`s why Bernie makes him so jealous, because Bernie can play ball, and is a better cpmmontator and writer than he is.

  4. jpftribe says:

    I watched the game online and was pretty happy we were getting the Cleveland feed. Bernie was really entertaining and dead on with his analysis. He was pretty critical of the Browns DB’s and the punter at the end of the game. He also defended Hoyer on what looked like some bad throws.

    The problem is, I have seen / heard previous preseason games where he was obviously loaded. So he sets himself up for this criticism. Case in point, Gannon called a game last year and completely ripped Weeden. There was no public outcry about Gannon being unprofessional, quite the opposite. The big story was about how much Weeden sucks because Gannon said so.

    I really enjoyed watching the game last week and Kosar’s analysis was a big part of it. But I’m a big Browns fan watching my team take control. If I’m a Rams fan, some of his comments were over the top and would’ve pissed me off.

    Should Bernie get fired? Absolutely not. Can he find better superlatives than horrible? Yes. Did he have to come down on Clemens like it was a personal affront to have to watch him play? No.

  5. […] It wasn’t just Fisher whining, of course. Media personality Peter King – who shares an agent with Fisher – had to chime in on Twitter, posting the ignorant question of whether or not Kosar was inebriated during the broadcast. (You can read more about that over at Kanicki’s joint.) […]

  6. clevelandfrowns says:

    King’s statements on Kosar (a public figure), while cheap and below the belt, aren’t remotely actionable, and it’s completely insane to attribute Kosar’s lack of a full time job as an NFL coach or commentator to “non-football idiosyncrasies” and “our PC world.” I would link to the twitter posts and the spot on the Hooligans, for example, but everybody already knows.

    • jimkanicki says:

      1. Guy gets fired for doing a demonstrably good job because someone’s feelings are hurt. “our PC world.” Understand that you’re the leading advocate for it which speaks to its insidiousness: its practitioners deny its existence.
      2. Bernie’s Youngstown accent, poor grammar, past drunkenness, bankruptcy, daughter, CTE are working-in-football-limiting non-football idiosyncrasies although – since CTE is specifically a football one – perhaps I should have said “non-football announcing/coaching idiosyncrasies but I doubt that qualifier would have made it less ‘insane’ to you.
      3. Maliciously insinuating a TV football announcer is drinking to 1,500,000 twitter followers is libelous. The burden of proof for public figures is higher than for a private figure. Being libeled directly to 1.5M people should meet that burden and is certainly remotely actionable.

      • clevelandfrowns says:

        Jim, I’m happy to have a more comprehensive debate about how the world’s poor and oppressed are out to get you by way of an insidious campaign of political correctness, but the point here is that there are obvious and simple explanations for why Bernie doesn’t have a full time job in football or broadcasting that have nothing to do with any of that (believe it or not!). These explanations involve the fact that Bernie’s not well enough to avoid completely melting down on local radio appearances or routinely coming off as a mentally impaired 8-year-old on his Twitter account, at press conferences in support of an incredible quack of a doctor who put him on a morphine drip, and wherever else. This isn’t about “idiosyncracies” or “our PC world,” it’s about basic competence, and it’s quite insane to suggest otherwise without even mentioning these obvious issues. I never said that Bernie should be fired from his part time preseason gig for this specific incident. I’m only addressing your attribution of “our PC world” as a primary reason why Bernie doesn’t have a full time job in coaching or broadcasting.

        And while I know how exciting it can be to have a blog, it doesn’t mean that you can just make up what the law is. As someone who works on defamation cases in real life, with a license and everything, let me assure you again that no decent attorney would tell Bernie that he has a defamation claim against King here. King asked a question. To the extent it could be taken as a statement, that statement would be one of opinion, not fact (e.g., only an insane or drunk person would say these things), and opinions aren’t actionable. That’s all apart from Kosar’s status as a public figure.

        • jimkanicki says:

          As exciting as it is to write my own blog, it’s even more exciting to have a genuine licensed officer of the court stop by with his pearls of wisdom. I will pass on the more comprehensive debate though, because as someone once said:

          Argument never makes headway against conviction. And conviction doesn’t take part in argument because it knows.

          There has never been an occasion where you’ve adapted your point of view after our talks; I can’t recall your having conceded a point. There’s no longer even a facade of respect. So why engage?

          • One point, in theory, anyway, would be to defend what you’ve published here (whether I agree with it or not), and show other readers of this forum that I was somehow incorrect in having raised the (wholly legitimate) issues that I’ve taken with it. But taking that pass is definitely the right move here, however much you botched the execution.

            I would say that I’ll work on being more conciliatory to people who blame Peter King’s indiscretions on opponents of Chief Wahoo, or when non-lawyers dig in their heels when they’re called out by licensed professionals for posting backward statements of the law on Cleveland sports blogs, but you know what they say about convictions.

          • Re: “facade of respect,” there is no rule of order that requires me to show respect for backwards political opinions and baseless arguments. Nothing is personal here. Just like Bernie criticizing Kellen Clemens for his game. “Not needing to kiss everyone’s ass leads to interesting commentary,” right?

            • jimkanicki says:

              That’s super that it’s not personal for you; congrats on your advanced compartmentalizing skills. You’ve managed to work in “tinfoil hat,” “how exciting it can be to have a blog,” “posting backward statements,” “backwards political opinions and baseless arguments,” into four separate comments addressed to me. Being on the receiving end of these and past like comments, I can tell you first hand that it becomes personal on this side after awhile.

              PS: the binary proposition that showing respect = ass-kissing is exactly the sort of polemic that makes it a chore to engage.

              • But if I would have just said, “Bless me father for I have sinned, I have to read another Kanick post about ‘our PC world,'” that would have been the kind of comment that would be applauded here.

                This is some metamorphosis you’ve undergone in the last 24 hours here, Jim. Yesterday you come out with a vigorous defense of non-obfuscatory “cold truths” that a “commenter who is not a slave to maintenance of future access” should be free to make without “wrapp[ing] in package without [sic.] soft edges lest someone poke an eye out.” Now here you are so sensitive to a commenter who’d dare suggest that your own arguments are reactionary and baseless.

                I see how this works. When someone else takes issue with a criticism that you happen to agree with (or one that’s issued by a popular public figure who’s easy for you to defend at your Cleveland sports blog), it’s an oversensitive overreaction by “a horse’s ass,” and “a sad and absurd fact of the PC world we’re living in.” But when you want to take issue with a criticism that you don’t like, it’s a completely different story, not at all an oversensitive overreaction, and how dare anyone get so personal by suggesting that any of your ideas are wrong or improvidently expressed?

                At this point I can only assume that calling hypocrisy for what it is is off limits here, too, at least for me, so let me just wrap this package up with soft edges and wish everyone a great day.

  7. Hey Kanicki …@Brownsforum thanks you, as do Browns fans world-wide. Good stuff.

  8. Henry Brown says:

    Well said!

  9. Jew Jitsu says:

    HOrrible “response”, you don’t even address half the stuff King references and the one regarding Clemens makes no sense at all. There’s a difference between criticizing someone and getting personal and Bernie has been an absolute train wreck most of the time he’s been seen in public so let’s not act like King is coming out the left field by asking whether Bernie is hammered.

    • Well, for starters, as a supposed proponent of Goodell’s efforts to increase player safety with more attention on concussions to players in the NFL King would be expected to know that Bernie’s speech patterns are a direct result of the beating he took pre-concussion concern era. Asking if Kosar had been drinking might cause one to question King’s “sincerity” in his concern about said concussion efforts.

      • Jew Jitsu says:

        Direct result? When did we get that irrefutable conclusion handed to the public? Bernie loves to hit the sauce so it’s not out of the question to think he had been drinking prior to this speaking engagement when he has shown up drunk at numerous prior ones. And if he has brain damage from concussions it’s irresponsible for the browns to out him on air

    • tmoore94 says:

      Saying a player is a bad person is getting personal; saying a player is not any good is not personal. Kosar never did the former, only the latter. Learn the difference.

      Peter King was much better when he was a writer and not a “media personality.” Plus it is pretty rich for him to question Kosar’s sobriety when if everyone one of his columns King throws in a commercial for whatever beer he has been pounding down during the past week.

      • jew jitsu says:

        Bernie said their parents should be embarrassed of them. I don’t know about you but that seems personal to me considering these guys worked their ass off their whole life to get to the NFL.

        Bernie was much better when he was just a fan favorite instead of a “media personality.” Plus it is pretty rich for him to question their pride towards their children when everyone knows what his daughter is doing for a living.

        • bupalos says:

          Context matters. Bernie only said that as a quick comeback when Donovan tried to reel him in a bit. I’m not sure what your heat-of-the-moment excuse for mocking his family is.

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  11. Aaron Moses says:

    Nice read. Thank you for defending Bernie. He may be a joke to the rest of the world, but this part of the world loves him.

  12. All of this with emphasis on all of this.

  13. Peter King is a mouthpiece for the league. To scoff at Kosar as being “drunk” while completely ignoring the scary problem of concussions and their long-term effects is completely ignorant and shows a complete disregard for the players who take years off their lives to play football. King is much better than this – or at least should be.

    Then, to suggest that the Browns are at fault for putting him on the air is akin to saying all Senior Citizens should be shoved into nursing homes. Sorry, if the guy with multiple concussions is making you uncomfortable, Peter.

    And yes, I’ve always enjoyed Kosar as a commentator. He’s gruff and to the point – two of my favorite qualities in a human being, let alone a football commentator. Actually, if you watch enough preseason games, you can figure out that a LOT of preseason color commentators are miles ahead of the guys who have the Sunday network jobs – precisely because they don’t have to be politically correct and gutless.

    Instead, we all should be more like Peter King – ignore the realities around us and give virtual blow jobs to the players, coaches and GM’s who give him the best info. Oh, and talk about coffee. Coffee is pretty safe too.

    What a grade A dick.

    • manc says:

      Peter King is a fucking idiot. His stance on Art Monk should disqualify him from commenting on aspect of football, American culture or human existence. A useless, self-promoting turd, a toothache of a man.

    • bupalos says:

      Perfectly on point. Whatever Kosar’s exact issues right now, I think just about anyone can agree the abuse he took in his playing days is at the root of them. King is a guy who makes his immodest living off the very thing that damaged Bernie. To come in swinging at Kosar’s football-induced soft spots is just flat out scummy.

      • jimkanicki says:

        This is nit maybe, but worth noting: the assumption of ‘an issue for Bernie’ is part of the problem here. On the night in question, there was no want of coherency, no indication of drinking. It was just a guy with a Youngstown accent talking football knowledgeably.

        In terms of ‘unprofessionalism’ he did use non-word ‘athleticism’ and I found several split infinitives in the clips I reviewed. Then there’s the accent. Other than that I don’t find unprofessional broadcasting and I would be grateful if Banner would explain specifically what he found unprofessional enough to cause him to rebuke Bernie.

        He certainly has issues but they were not evident on Thursday.

        He’s being scapegoated as a deflection from Fisher’s poor receivers and 3rd QBs and with libelous complicity from Peter King.

        And nothing will change out this. And I’ll be writing the same piece again in six months.

        • bupalos says:

          Sorry it really is unprofessional as an announcer to act like someone on the field is so incredibly horrible that you experience pain watching it. That’s fine for friends at a bar. Then when you’re broadcasting buddy tries to pull you back with “come on now, what if his family were here..” and you come back with “they should be embarrassed for him…” Sorry, again, not particularly professional. And finally, to rather loudly proclaim that the Rams would be delighted to dump both their backups if they could find anything with a pulse….

          I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it too when he kind of rolled his eyes at the Weeden touchdown pass, saying that the play was way too complex and not something you pull out in preseason, almost intimating a kind of fraud. I doubt the Browns brass enjoyed that though.

          Professional behavior can really only be defined by the norms of the profession. You aren’t “being professional” by doing whatever you can to be entertaining.

      • “Whatever Kosar’s exact issues right now, I think just about anyone can agree the abuse he took in his playing days is at the root of them.”

        Partially, at least, but I don’t think we should discount the impact of what an insane culture of pro athlete worship has done to Old Bern.

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